Glass Magazine Issue #2 | Andrea, Angelica and Haley by Felix Lammers

Joanna Elizabeth

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Published June 2, 2010

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Updated June 3, 2019

Fairly striking and photographed by Felix Lammers, the girls of 12+ UK Model Management star in an accessories story for the sophomore issue of Glass Magazine. Aided by beauty editor Yasmin Heinz and stylist Darren Knight, Lammers captures Andrea, Angelica and Haley as they dazzle in an alluring array of lingerie and jewelry.









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99 thoughts on “Glass Magazine Issue #2 | Andrea, Angelica and Haley by Felix Lammers”

  1. I don't have any problems with this editorial, however I think the trend of using oversize models is sisyfos. So some people in fashion are trying to stop discrimination because of size. What should the next thing be? Start using people as models inspite of their acne, hunch back, spasms, downs syndrome or that they're just plain boring?

    This would be absolutely fine with me, but I wouldn't find it interesting as anything but a short lifed statement. There are some beauty ideals. They're buried deep into our brains – and they work. Sure go ahead and mess with them, but showcasing fashion while breaking all ideals is just not the most efficient way in my opinion.

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    • Who says that beauty can't come in different size and race? You have to remember that the concept of beauty changes through time and culture. In late 19th century, the standard of beauty for women called for voluptuous, rounded figures. While the 1920s, super-thin flappers were the ideal. By the 1940s and 1950s, curvaceous pin-up girls were considered the pinnacle of beauty. By the 1960s, super-thin models were back. The "heroine chic" beauty ideal we have today has only existed a few decades. Who knows what will be considered beautiful tomorrow?

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      • No one is saying that beauty can't come in different size and races. But right now (based only on the past month's editorials on fashiongonerouge) beauty comes in XXS-L combined with pretty face and slightly strange pretty face. There's a whole lot of unexplored territory in between and past that which I think fotographers should go ahead and explore. I just turns me off that fashion has to be the battle ground of beauty ideals. I think fashion has evolved past that.

        It's an explanation of a view point not an attack. As I stated in my first comment: I have no problems with this editorial, but I find the focus on the clothes kind of blurred out. It's just my initial opinion.

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        • I don't think it's necessarily true about the fashion being taken away. As a plus-sized woman, it inspires me. It makes me want to purchase those clothing items. It makes me realize what silhouettes could work for my body and it makes me not as ashamed of myself. I find it to be very empowering. It may be short lived, but at least it's there. We could just continue to ignore the fact that there are plus-sized models and fashionable clothes for plus-sized women.

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          • Isn't fashion about redefining beauty anyway? Isn't it about creating beauty from both old and new things? If fashion just stuck with what people currently see as beautiful, there would be stagnation and there wouldn't be "evolving" past anything at all. You also mentioned "ideals," but what exactly are these ideals? I don't see being a size 00 as an ideal or have an underweight BMI or not eating healthily to maintain an image. You might say "oh, the models are naturally like that" or "oh, the models have very fast metabolisms," but for many people it's an unrealistic "ideal."

            Fashion has always been about making statements and I think it makes sense to be making statements with both clothing and body image.

          • I guess it's just two different ways to see it.

            I also think fashion is about redifining beauty. The beauty of garments and styling, not the beauty of women. At least thats how I would prefer it.

          • I guess it's just two different ways to see it.

            I also think fashion is about redifining beauty. The beauty of garments and styling, not the beauty of women. At least thats how I would prefer it.

          • Isn't fashion about redefining beauty anyway? Isn't it about creating beauty from both old and new things? If fashion just stuck with what people currently see as beautiful, there would be stagnation and there wouldn't be "evolving" past anything at all. You also mentioned "ideals," but what exactly are these ideals? I don't see being a size 00 as an ideal or have an underweight BMI or not eating healthily to maintain an image. You might say "oh, the models are naturally like that" or "oh, the models have very fast metabolisms," but for many people it's an unrealistic "ideal."

            Fashion has always been about making statements and I think it makes sense to be making statements with both clothing and body image.

        • I don't think it's necessarily true about the fashion being taken away. As a plus-sized woman, it inspires me. It makes me want to purchase those clothing items. It makes me realize what silhouettes could work for my body and it makes me not as ashamed of myself. I find it to be very empowering. It may be short lived, but at least it's there. We could just continue to ignore the fact that there are plus-sized models and fashionable clothes for plus-sized women.

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      • No one is saying that beauty can't come in different size and races. But right now (based only on the past month's editorials on fashiongonerouge) beauty comes in XXS-L combined with pretty face and slightly strange pretty face. There's a whole lot of unexplored territory in between and past that which I think fotographers should go ahead and explore. I just turns me off that fashion has to be the battle ground of beauty ideals. I think fashion has evolved past that.

        It's an explanation of a view point not an attack. As I stated in my first comment: I have no problems with this editorial, but I find the focus on the clothes kind of blurred out. It's just my initial opinion.

        Reply
  2. I don't have any problems with this editorial, however I think the trend of using oversize models is sisyfos. So some people in fashion are trying to stop discrimination because of size. What should the next thing be? Start using people as models inspite of their acne, hunch back, spasms, downs syndrome or that they're just plain boring?

    This would be absolutely fine with me, but I wouldn't find it interesting as anything but a short lifed statement. There are some beauty ideals. They're buried deep into our brains – and they work. Sure go ahead and mess with them, but showcasing fashion while breaking all ideals is just not the most efficient way in my opinion.

    Reply
    • Who says that beauty can't come in different size and race? You have to remember that the concept of beauty changes through time and culture. In late 19th century, the standard of beauty for women called for voluptuous, rounded figures. While the 1920s, super-thin flappers were the ideal. By the 1940s and 1950s, curvaceous pin-up girls were considered the pinnacle of beauty. By the 1960s, super-thin models were back. The "heroine chic" beauty ideal we have today has only existed a few decades. Who knows what will be considered beautiful tomorrow?

      Reply
      • No one is saying that beauty can't come in different size and races. But right now (based only on the past month's editorials on fashiongonerouge) beauty comes in XXS-L combined with pretty face and slightly strange pretty face. There's a whole lot of unexplored territory in between and past that which I think fotographers should go ahead and explore. I just turns me off that fashion has to be the battle ground of beauty ideals. I think fashion has evolved past that.

        It's an explanation of a view point not an attack. As I stated in my first comment: I have no problems with this editorial, but I find the focus on the clothes kind of blurred out. It's just my initial opinion.

        Reply
        • I don't think it's necessarily true about the fashion being taken away. As a plus-sized woman, it inspires me. It makes me want to purchase those clothing items. It makes me realize what silhouettes could work for my body and it makes me not as ashamed of myself. I find it to be very empowering. It may be short lived, but at least it's there. We could just continue to ignore the fact that there are plus-sized models and fashionable clothes for plus-sized women.

          Reply
          • Isn't fashion about redefining beauty anyway? Isn't it about creating beauty from both old and new things? If fashion just stuck with what people currently see as beautiful, there would be stagnation and there wouldn't be "evolving" past anything at all. You also mentioned "ideals," but what exactly are these ideals? I don't see being a size 00 as an ideal or have an underweight BMI or not eating healthily to maintain an image. You might say "oh, the models are naturally like that" or "oh, the models have very fast metabolisms," but for many people it's an unrealistic "ideal."

            Fashion has always been about making statements and I think it makes sense to be making statements with both clothing and body image.

          • I guess it's just two different ways to see it.

            I also think fashion is about redifining beauty. The beauty of garments and styling, not the beauty of women. At least thats how I would prefer it.

  3. Wow grib, by saying what you stated above you sound so narrow minded. These girls are just as beautiful as the size 2 models, but they just are not born as naturally skinny. Dude you need to grow up and realize beauty comes in all sizes and shapes.

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    • And you sound like you were some narrow-minded skinny-hating plus-sized woman yourself. But of course, beauty comes in all sizes but, apart from the fact plus-sized women don't look this good in real life, because we can't use photoshop on our bodies and faces as for now, what I find rather incomprehensible is that browsing through all those curvy editorials and pages, reading comments, I find it pretty disturbing because I see there snarky comments of skinny haters. So how beauty comes in all sizes and shapes, your favourite slogan? It makes me think curvy fans are hypocrites and beauty can be in all shapes as long as it's plus size. You are a fan of curvy, okay that's good, but just because of this skinny should be banned? Not really, no. I personally prefer skinny editorials so let me live my life, without messing with the fashion world I love. And stop saying models are the cause of anorexia because so-called normal people don't pay attention to what is happening on runways and anorexia nervosa is far more than just 'iwanttolooklikeamodel' thing. They are not born naturally skinny? Sorry, but I find it ridiculous. I'm 'plus-size' myself and mind you, I was born as a skinny, though healthy child. It's just my habit of eating all the time that turned me into what I am now. These women above are not healthy, despite what you'd like to think. They are close to dangerous obesity, though now they are not fat. Anorexic girls are not better, of course but I think if we want to see healthy models in editorials, we have to settle for girls in 36/38 sizes (my apologies, I am European so I'm using European sizes. Just check it out before saying anything.). Maybe I do sound narrow-minded, but it's my opinion and I am certainly not ashamed of having my own views.

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      • How did you get that from what True said? Wow. Somebody's insecurities are showing. If anything, you should be replying to grib.

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        • Also, how do you know these models weights? I'm a size 14 and considering that I'm 25 pounds shy of being morbidly obese I'm extremely offended that somebody like you can look at a picture of me and determine that I am near obesity and thus near death. I exercise, I changed my eating habits. You're no better than the people you're mad at.

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        • Also, how do you know these models weights? I'm a size 14 and considering that I'm 25 pounds shy of being morbidly obese I'm extremely offended that somebody like you can look at a picture of me and determine that I am near obesity and thus near death. I exercise, I changed my eating habits. You're no better than the people you're mad at.

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      • How did you get that from what True said? Wow. Somebody's insecurities are showing. If anything, you should be replying to grib.

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    • And you sound like you were some narrow-minded skinny-hating plus-sized woman yourself. But of course, beauty comes in all sizes but, apart from the fact plus-sized women don't look this good in real life, because we can't use photoshop on our bodies and faces as for now, what I find rather incomprehensible is that browsing through all those curvy editorials and pages, reading comments, I find it pretty disturbing because I see there snarky comments of skinny haters. So how beauty comes in all sizes and shapes, your favourite slogan? It makes me think curvy fans are hypocrites and beauty can be in all shapes as long as it's plus size. You are a fan of curvy, okay that's good, but just because of this skinny should be banned? Not really, no. I personally prefer skinny editorials so let me live my life, without messing with the fashion world I love. And stop saying models are the cause of anorexia because so-called normal people don't pay attention to what is happening on runways and anorexia nervosa is far more than just 'iwanttolooklikeamodel' thing. They are not born naturally skinny? Sorry, but I find it ridiculous. I'm 'plus-size' myself and mind you, I was born as a skinny, though healthy child. It's just my habit of eating all the time that turned me into what I am now. These women above are not healthy, despite what you'd like to think. They are close to dangerous obesity, though now they are not fat. Anorexic girls are not better, of course but I think if we want to see healthy models in editorials, we have to settle for girls in 36/38 sizes (my apologies, I am European so I'm using European sizes. Just check it out before saying anything.). Maybe I do sound narrow-minded, but it's my opinion and I am certainly not ashamed of having my own views.

      Reply
  4. Wow grib, by saying what you stated above you sound so narrow minded. These girls are just as beautiful as the size 2 models, but they just are not born as naturally skinny. Dude you need to grow up and realize beauty comes in all sizes and shapes.

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    • And you sound like you were some narrow-minded skinny-hating plus-sized woman yourself. But of course, beauty comes in all sizes but, apart from the fact plus-sized women don't look this good in real life, because we can't use photoshop on our bodies and faces as for now, what I find rather incomprehensible is that browsing through all those curvy editorials and pages, reading comments, I find it pretty disturbing because I see there snarky comments of skinny haters. So how beauty comes in all sizes and shapes, your favourite slogan? It makes me think curvy fans are hypocrites and beauty can be in all shapes as long as it's plus size. You are a fan of curvy, okay that's good, but just because of this skinny should be banned? Not really, no. I personally prefer skinny editorials so let me live my life, without messing with the fashion world I love. And stop saying models are the cause of anorexia because so-called normal people don't pay attention to what is happening on runways and anorexia nervosa is far more than just 'iwanttolooklikeamodel' thing. They are not born naturally skinny? Sorry, but I find it ridiculous. I'm 'plus-size' myself and mind you, I was born as a skinny, though healthy child. It's just my habit of eating all the time that turned me into what I am now. These women above are not healthy, despite what you'd like to think. They are close to dangerous obesity, though now they are not fat. Anorexic girls are not better, of course but I think if we want to see healthy models in editorials, we have to settle for girls in 36/38 sizes (my apologies, I am European so I'm using European sizes. Just check it out before saying anything.). Maybe I do sound narrow-minded, but it's my opinion and I am certainly not ashamed of having my own views.

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      • How did you get that from what True said? Wow. Somebody's insecurities are showing. If anything, you should be replying to grib.

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        • Also, how do you know these models weights? I'm a size 14 and considering that I'm 25 pounds shy of being morbidly obese I'm extremely offended that somebody like you can look at a picture of me and determine that I am near obesity and thus near death. I exercise, I changed my eating habits. You're no better than the people you're mad at.

          Reply
  5. This is beautiful and I think that the shot of the foot would have been less powerful and less beautiful if it would have been a size two model. Really good job with this and really beautiful girls. Being bigger is not a flaw when it is in proportion to your bone structure and it is natural. I don't think there is anything less attractive than a plus size girl who turns anorexic to be a size two model, they look emaciated and it is frightening. I naturally skinny girl, however, does not look frightening being her size. This was wonderful and more powerful because of these women's bodies.

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  6. This is beautiful and I think that the shot of the foot would have been less powerful and less beautiful if it would have been a size two model. Really good job with this and really beautiful girls. Being bigger is not a flaw when it is in proportion to your bone structure and it is natural. I don't think there is anything less attractive than a plus size girl who turns anorexic to be a size two model, they look emaciated and it is frightening. I naturally skinny girl, however, does not look frightening being her size. This was wonderful and more powerful because of these women's bodies.

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  7. I can't believe some of the stupid things I read above…

    I'm digging the curvy girls pictures, it's ridiculous to compare it with acne…

    I just wanted to say they're all VAMPS 😉

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  8. I can't believe some of the stupid things I read above…

    I'm digging the curvy girls pictures, it's ridiculous to compare it with acne…

    I just wanted to say they're all VAMPS 😉

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  9. beautiful.
    while I like what the plus-size trend is doing for magazines, could we maybe have more girls in-between? or how about shorter girls? To my knowledge the Olsens are really the only short girls who are ever photographed for fashion spreads. As a petite girl I can say that it does contribute to body dissatisfaction because even if petite it isn't the same. I get weird ideas about my legs, for example.

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    • Nicole Fox, winner of ANTM's petite model competition was recently featured in an editorial. I saw it in here about a few pages back. Petite models get work too.

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      • that's cool. I had hoped I was mistaken. I just hope it doesn't end up being tokenism – especially since ANTM models aren't particularly successful. I still would like to see more er, mid-sized models? though.

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      • that's cool. I had hoped I was mistaken. I just hope it doesn't end up being tokenism – especially since ANTM models aren't particularly successful. I still would like to see more er, mid-sized models? though.

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    • Nicole Fox, winner of ANTM's petite model competition was recently featured in an editorial. I saw it in here about a few pages back. Petite models get work too.

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  10. beautiful.
    while I like what the plus-size trend is doing for magazines, could we maybe have more girls in-between? or how about shorter girls? To my knowledge the Olsens are really the only short girls who are ever photographed for fashion spreads. As a petite girl I can say that it does contribute to body dissatisfaction because even if petite it isn't the same. I get weird ideas about my legs, for example.

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  11. beautiful.
    while I like what the plus-size trend is doing for magazines, could we maybe have more girls in-between? or how about shorter girls? To my knowledge the Olsens are really the only short girls who are ever photographed for fashion spreads. As a petite girl I can say that it does contribute to body dissatisfaction because even if petite it isn't the same. I get weird ideas about my legs, for example.

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    • Nicole Fox, winner of ANTM's petite model competition was recently featured in an editorial. I saw it in here about a few pages back. Petite models get work too.

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      • that's cool. I had hoped I was mistaken. I just hope it doesn't end up being tokenism – especially since ANTM models aren't particularly successful. I still would like to see more er, mid-sized models? though.

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  12. Our minds are pre-wired to view ideal feminine beauty as a matter of symmetry and proportion. The ideal weight for a female might be subject to culture or trends, but the ideal proportions associated with feminine beauty are timeless. For example, if the hips-to-waist ratio of a plus-size model is the same as a thin model then they can both share the ideal feminine proportional symmetry regardless of weight. I have no problem casting plus-size models for beauty ads as long as they maintain a beautiful proportion in terms of hips-to-waist ratio and have a good complexion, hair etc

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  13. Our minds are pre-wired to view ideal feminine beauty as a matter of symmetry and proportion. The ideal weight for a female might be subject to culture or trends, but the ideal proportions associated with feminine beauty are timeless. For example, if the hips-to-waist ratio of a plus-size model is the same as a thin model then they can both share the ideal feminine proportional symmetry regardless of weight. I have no problem casting plus-size models for beauty ads as long as they maintain a beautiful proportion in terms of hips-to-waist ratio and have a good complexion, hair etc

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  14. Our minds are pre-wired to view ideal feminine beauty as a matter of symmetry and proportion. The ideal weight for a female might be subject to culture or trends, but the ideal proportions associated with feminine beauty are timeless. For example, if the hips-to-waist ratio of a plus-size model is the same as a thin model then they can both share the ideal feminine proportional symmetry regardless of weight. I have no problem casting plus-size models for beauty ads as long as they maintain a beautiful proportion in terms of hips-to-waist ratio and have a good complexion, hair etc

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  15. Really nice (the shoes are great). It's just cool to see not skinny girls. And I don't agree with the fashion models as ideal beauty. Some well knows actresses considered as beautiful are not so tall and thin. I was pretty "shocked" to see a movie about Gaultier's work where "normal" people looked liked dwarves in front of top models. My ideal beauty is not giant girls 🙂

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  16. Really nice (the shoes are great). It's just cool to see not skinny girls. And I don't agree with the fashion models as ideal beauty. Some well knows actresses considered as beautiful are not so tall and thin. I was pretty "shocked" to see a movie about Gaultier's work where "normal" people looked liked dwarves in front of top models. My ideal beauty is not giant girls 🙂

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  17. Honestly I really liked this spread and the clothes are fantastic, The amount of arguing over plus sized models is a little silly. Its nice to see that the fashion world is opening up and using more plus sized girls. But we shouldn't hate on plus sized girls, or the size zeros, my concern is how many girls who are 5'10 and a zero are natually that thin. The amount of times i've heard models tell me what they live off it makes me sad, diet coke apple and ciggarettes are not healthy.
    I understand their want to be skinny, these girls get to wear luxury clothing all the time and their salaries allow them to purchase these clothes and only the very thin models or the extremely beautiful ones get good campagnes (lara stone anyone?).

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  18. Honestly I really liked this spread and the clothes are fantastic, The amount of arguing over plus sized models is a little silly. Its nice to see that the fashion world is opening up and using more plus sized girls. But we shouldn't hate on plus sized girls, or the size zeros, my concern is how many girls who are 5'10 and a zero are natually that thin. The amount of times i've heard models tell me what they live off it makes me sad, diet coke apple and ciggarettes are not healthy.
    I understand their want to be skinny, these girls get to wear luxury clothing all the time and their salaries allow them to purchase these clothes and only the very thin models or the extremely beautiful ones get good campagnes (lara stone anyone?).

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  19. And I think we have all heard that models are supposed to be clothing hangers. But I the issue for me the consumer is that when i see a waifish girl going down the runway in a great ensamble and I wonder if I could rock the look i'm not sure– it looks good on the hanger but would it look good on a girl whos a size 8-10? No hate on skinny models though; designers make the clothes to look good on them in the shoots and runways and the obviously make the clothes look great. I mean look at how well the fashion industry is doing in terms of sales

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  20. And I think we have all heard that models are supposed to be clothing hangers. But I the issue for me the consumer is that when i see a waifish girl going down the runway in a great ensamble and I wonder if I could rock the look i'm not sure– it looks good on the hanger but would it look good on a girl whos a size 8-10? No hate on skinny models though; designers make the clothes to look good on them in the shoots and runways and the obviously make the clothes look great. I mean look at how well the fashion industry is doing in terms of sales

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  21. Honestly I really liked this spread and the clothes are fantastic, The amount of arguing over plus sized models is a little silly. Its nice to see that the fashion world is opening up and using more plus sized girls. But we shouldn't hate on plus sized girls, or the size zeros, my concern is how many girls who are 5'10 and a zero are natually that thin. The amount of times i've heard models tell me what they live off it makes me sad, diet coke apple and ciggarettes are not healthy.
    I understand their want to be skinny, these girls get to wear luxury clothing all the time and their salaries allow them to purchase these clothes and only the very thin models or the extremely beautiful ones get good campagnes (lara stone anyone?).

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  22. And I think we have all heard that models are supposed to be clothing hangers. But I the issue for me the consumer is that when i see a waifish girl going down the runway in a great ensamble and I wonder if I could rock the look i'm not sure– it looks good on the hanger but would it look good on a girl whos a size 8-10? No hate on skinny models though; designers make the clothes to look good on them in the shoots and runways and the obviously make the clothes look great. I mean look at how well the fashion industry is doing in terms of sales

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  23. This is my first time finally commenting on fashion gone rogue. I just want to say that I didn't even NOTICE the size of these girls until I started scrolling and thought "oh wait, no protruding bones must be a 'plus size' spread". can we just say they look beautiful and very MODELESQUE and this spread proves that you don't have to use uber-thin waifs to sell beauty?

    and for those complaining that pro-curvy supporters are anti-thin – well, so what? thin's had the monopoly on beauty for way too long – to the point that it's affecting the way young girls are socialized into thinking about themselves and their bodies.

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  24. This is my first time finally commenting on fashion gone rogue. I just want to say that I didn't even NOTICE the size of these girls until I started scrolling and thought "oh wait, no protruding bones must be a 'plus size' spread". can we just say they look beautiful and very MODELESQUE and this spread proves that you don't have to use uber-thin waifs to sell beauty?

    and for those complaining that pro-curvy supporters are anti-thin – well, so what? thin's had the monopoly on beauty for way too long – to the point that it's affecting the way young girls are socialized into thinking about themselves and their bodies.

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  25. This is my first time finally commenting on fashion gone rogue. I just want to say that I didn't even NOTICE the size of these girls until I started scrolling and thought "oh wait, no protruding bones must be a 'plus size' spread". can we just say they look beautiful and very MODELESQUE and this spread proves that you don't have to use uber-thin waifs to sell beauty?

    and for those complaining that pro-curvy supporters are anti-thin – well, so what? thin's had the monopoly on beauty for way too long – to the point that it's affecting the way young girls are socialized into thinking about themselves and their bodies.

    Reply
  26. Bah, fat skinny, whatever.
    I don't care for some of these, admitting quite willingly that I think a skinnier model could have had a form to show off the clothes better. THOUGH I doooo love the first and last photos, they may be 'bigger' but they're working it fo sho. As even though I do like skinnier models better than plus size I like the fact that you can't compare their thighs to sticks! Those two are gorgeous <3

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  27. Bah, fat skinny, whatever.
    I don't care for some of these, admitting quite willingly that I think a skinnier model could have had a form to show off the clothes better. THOUGH I doooo love the first and last photos, they may be 'bigger' but they're working it fo sho. As even though I do like skinnier models better than plus size I like the fact that you can't compare their thighs to sticks! Those two are gorgeous <3

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  28. Bah, fat skinny, whatever.
    I don't care for some of these, admitting quite willingly that I think a skinnier model could have had a form to show off the clothes better. THOUGH I doooo love the first and last photos, they may be 'bigger' but they're working it fo sho. As even though I do like skinnier models better than plus size I like the fact that you can't compare their thighs to sticks! Those two are gorgeous <3

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  29. ha ha … love the comments one this one. Almost like theres no room for plus size models in fashion …pardon the pun. I think this is beautiful and tasteful to say the least. These arguments also remind me of the days when Goths and Ravers would sit around class arguing music.

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  30. ha ha … love the comments one this one. Almost like theres no room for plus size models in fashion …pardon the pun. I think this is beautiful and tasteful to say the least. These arguments also remind me of the days when Goths and Ravers would sit around class arguing music.

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